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today on the show we continue our Hynek

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and Blue Book discussion with David

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O'Leary the creator and writer of the

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television series Project Blue Book

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project that's the air force program to

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investigate flying saucers I don't trust

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the air force

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neither do we we don't work for them we

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work for you the people that's why we're

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here this is somewhere in the skies the

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Branzburg

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I am here with David O'Leary last time

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we spoke was right before the premiere

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of season 1 of Project Blue Book and

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that was a hell of a first season man

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say thanks man thank you it's great to

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be here it's good to have you back I

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mean I was so excited when I first got

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you and Sean on before season one even

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premiered and or going full throttle in

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the season to you we'll get to that but

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um I gotta mention to you were uh you're

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awarded the number-one Drama Series on

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cable television

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that's yeah we were the number one new

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cable drama series I you know I never

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want to you know to our own heart about

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anything that isn't true but yes no it's

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a real it's a roots listen it blew us

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away how the how the show was received

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um you know and you know we just got you

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know we were able to hold our audience

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for the for the first episode for season

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two we just saw some of those numbers

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which is really exciting and yeah I mean

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you know it's one of those things where

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you're never quite sure if it's gonna

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connect if it's gonna work you know it's

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a period piece about UFOs and about you

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know a real-life government program and

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about a cover-up and about a conspiracy

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and you know you hope you hope there's

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an audience out there I think the I

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think the thing that can sometimes scare

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people is that it's a you know when we

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were shopping the show it's like we love

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it we think it's cool but it's like

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period you know 1950s that's that's a

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little hard you know but unfortunately

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we you know we history of course like

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came on board and they are like the

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perfect home for this not only because

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of their own history with you know

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exploring UFO phenomena and their

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various you know documentary series and

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and unscripted programming but they also

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in their scripted programming are

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looking strictly at scripted historical

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scripted content and and then so it

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ended up being a great fit yeah and I

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think to like two things first of all

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like I think people crave period pieces

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now because you know kind of not to get

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into like politics or anything like that

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but the world we live in everyone's

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looking for something that was way back

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when when things seemed to be you know

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easy yeah I know so

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well hey man I just read like you know

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like the there's something called the

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Doomsday Clock which is a clock that

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scientists you know it's a metaphorical

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clock that scientists use and other

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historians use to kind of Judge how

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close are we to like a nuclear war and

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it's the closest it's been I think it

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seemed a little bit closer they said

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it's a hundred minutes to midnight and

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we were 2 minutes to midnight midnight

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meat you know meaning like you know

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sayonara yeah and in 1953 you know so

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it's it's yeah you know it's it's a

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crazy there's some crazy parallels

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between sort of the 50s and today you

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know yeah absolutely and another thing I

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know you guys you and Sean sort of when

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when you talk about the show is you know

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come for the drama stay for the UFOs and

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I think that's important too yes again

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we're focusing on a drama this is not a

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documentary so we'll get for that and

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we'll get to the UFO purists a little

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later but yes yes oh sure yes yeah but

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so I gotta ask in terms of season two

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Dave did you have kind of like a

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blueprint or idea where the story was

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heading before you even knew you were

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getting a season two like how does that

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work in television yeah sure

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we had some broad strokes you know Sean

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and I the way we usually do it we did

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this in season one to like I had written

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a show Bible that kind of mapped out the

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vision for the show the vision for the

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series had some big ideas like you know

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like we were always gonna end in the DC

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UFO wave of 1952 like as our as our

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cliffhanger at the end of you know

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episode 10 of season 1 and stuff like

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that and for season 2 we sort of did the

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same thing like we got together you know

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we we discussed ideas we put things on

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the board we you know we we mapped out

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cases we loved and we always wanted to

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do Roswell but we you know the show

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starts you know five B of five years

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after in season one five years after the

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Roswell incident he's heard and now

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we're picking it up and it's like six

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years after its occurred

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good evening I'm General James Harding

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from the United States Air Force we're

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here tonight live from Roswell New

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Mexico

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I want to talk to you about a rumor

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that's been circulating it again what a

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mysterious crash that's happened here in

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the desert I'm here to tell you the

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American people that's just a hoax

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Harding silencing Roswell again if we're

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here it took us a little time to kind of

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figure out what's what's the right way

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to do that story we're not gonna fake

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it's too famous a case you can't pretend

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that you know Roswell didn't happen in

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1947 when it happened in 1953 so what we

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ended up doing is we sort of the answer

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the answer that unit of finding was was

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actually Roswell itself because we

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started to think about okay like

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everything we've read everything we know

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about Roswell this is a town that was

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silenced you know that was that was

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forced into secrecy and then we were

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like well what if just like eventually

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that did happen what if like witnesses

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started to talk what if somebody came

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forward with with evidence threatening

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to expose it to the world and then our

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guys had to go in there and examine it

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as a bit of a quote-unquote cold case

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and you know and and then follow these

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breadcrumbs that then we could layer in

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all the really cool things that actually

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did happen in Roswell and once we had

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that breakthrough everyone got really

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excited and we're like okay think we

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think we know how to do Roswell and we

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in it you know we we actually tried to

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cram our - our - Carter into one episode

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outline and we're like oh my god like

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how are we gonna do this and then we

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kind of realized wait what if we split

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this in half and actually do a

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two-parter do it almost like a like a

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movie and a bit of an event and do a

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part one and a part two it was something

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new for us also but we felt that you

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know when you're dealing with something

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like Roswell you gotta pay it the

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respect it deserves and not just kind of

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breeze through it and we you know every

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every little twist and turn all those

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like clues that they follow those are

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all inspired and based off real you know

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moments and events that we learned in

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the wood circle when we were reading

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various books about the subject so you

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know it's it's really a honor to like be

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able to tell obviously - our version of

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Roswell but we we really do try to weave

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in as much of the real life you know

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reports and what witnesses state witness

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statements and alleged events that

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occurred there as we possibly can I mean

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in terms of like kind of the the many

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points of contention in Roswell you know

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you've got right she got the cover up

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you hit on some of the explanations of

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what actually happened we won't give

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those away but right right right you

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guys yeah you you had a challenge and I

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you know when when your first ads came

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around and all US UFO people saw the

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smoking flying saucer behind Hynek and

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Quinn we were like oh god they jumped

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the shark but right of course just like

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you guys did me season one I think you

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surprised a lot of people and the way

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you structured and he told this story

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I loved it man III Thank You Man I

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appreciate oh sorry there's like a

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barking dog Wow not at all but everyone

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but I know you're outside yeah I'm in LA

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and there's I'm outside that at a

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friend's house right now but I really

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wanted to do this this podcast and and

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yeah I appreciate it man yeah I mean

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exactly and like I you know I think some

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of the things that worried me early on

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is like Asian I would see people being

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like oh they're like they're making

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Roswell happen in the 50s it's you know

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sure I thought that you know and no no

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no no no no no we will never you know as

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far as you know we can try we will never

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especially something as important as

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Roswell do that you know it it will be

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know and then I was happy to see like

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you know in the trailers they got you

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know six years ago in there and I was

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that like we're not pretending it didn't

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happen six years ago you know and I

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think and you know we're always trying

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to do with the show is like not

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everything you see is what it appears to

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be and I won't go I won't spoil it just

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because only episode one is aired so far

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but like you know even with some of the

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more you know like the moment you're

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talking about the the crash saucer and

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the at the intersection downtown Roswell

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essentially you know there's there's

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there's more there's more than meets the

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eye there in terms of what's really

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going on yeah and then and then it keeps

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going from there you know and and we

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answer that pretty quickly in the second

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episode and then we and then we move we

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delve back into what some of the even

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better and more interesting aspects of a

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real life case and then

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premiere the two-parter is uh yeah the

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relationship with Hynek and Quinn I mean

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yeah knowing you were getting another

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season to sort of flesh out these

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characters how was it to explore the

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whole partner you know sort of

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buddy-buddy thing and right for these

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two guys again oh man so much so much

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easier in some respects and so much more

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fun also just in that we know the actors

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that were writing to you know what I

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were breaking many episodes in the room

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before we fully had our cast up and

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running and certainly like when I wrote

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the pilot like had no idea who we were

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gonna cast and so once you've seen the

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show and worked in the show and seen the

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episodes as many times as we have you

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know it's in your DNA and in your bones

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so it's like when you're writing a Quinn

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line are you writing on

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Hynek line you're just picturing Aidan

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or Michael doing it it looks like

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sunburn I'm gonna get cheeseburger you

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anything that I said thanks for your

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help I believe I just pointed at him

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it makes it a lot more I think it helps

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us become become more nuanced because we

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we know what we have and we know that

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there are the Arsenal we have of our

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great actors and like kind of the tools

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in our toolbox to be like oh he's gonna

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kill this line he's gonna do it this way

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and and then of course the your act to

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surprise you and they make it even

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better

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honestly like these guys you could could

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read the phonebook I mean like they they

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really can take any line and turn it

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into something great so we are writing

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as is so elevated by what they bring as

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actors it's unbelievable it really is I

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mean I was talking to Paul hi Nick

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yesterday and I kept circling back to as

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the performances in this show I mean

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it's it's amazing how they have crawled

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into the skin of these actual people or

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amalgamations of different people

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involved or Bluebook and yeah really I

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mean they they just seemed so much more

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comfortable with one another now yes and

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yes that's where I could see it going

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you know that trust they're building

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that's right and what's kind of great is

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like you know Michael and Aiden didn't

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have a relationship prior to the show

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you know what I mean so they've never

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worked together just like on the show

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that did you size their characters in

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the show had never worked together and

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then over time gradually their

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characters develop the deep respect and

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the friendship and all that kind of

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stuff and that is very very true for

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Michael in the Aidan as well so like I

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felt it right away I mean they they like

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they slipped right back into their

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characters I couldn't believe it I was

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like you know and Beaver is like both on

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the show and in real life there's just

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such a morale of a great ease between

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the two of them they really know each

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other they I mean they know each other

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you know like really well you know I

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mean how many times are they just

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sitting in like you know that like you

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know in the green tent or whatever you

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know the black tent like waiting waiting

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waiting in between takes you know just

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just you know so they they know each

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other extremely well so hopefully that

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shows up on screen too and they're a lot

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of fun - right - and they're there

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banter and all that kind of stuff is

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just as fun as when they get into big

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squabbles and fights and and all that

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stuff which they do as well yeah I love

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I love that about these two well another

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one of the people I want to talk about

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it

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character of Mimi she's becoming a

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bigger player in the show yeah get that

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from the Roswell two-parter could you

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tell us a little maybe about Janelle her

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character this season yeah well you know

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we wanted to take Mimi in a new

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direction like the Susy storyline what

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the dead most definitely does come back

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into Mimi's life she's also on a new

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path you know we wanted the real life

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Mimi Hynek got very involved in her

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husband's work and we wanted to honor

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that and start to move her in those

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directions so we we also were fascinated

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by the fact that in the early 1950s

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these real-life UFO you know civilian

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UFO groups began sprouting up and we

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thought that that could be an exciting

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new way in which she could delve into a

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world that was very much a part of UFOs

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and a part of our show in our world in

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the 1950s but you know and and give her

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a new agency to kind of come at the

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cover-up in the conspiracy and UFO

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phenomena in a completely different way

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in a way that was more accessible for

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someone like her who is you know not a

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government employee and who you know

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Damien is is just a civilian but who is

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seen behind the looking-glass and it

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seemed too much and knows that her

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husband's on to something and and so

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she's trying to assist and help out in

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that way and it's kind of cool because

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we get to see these sort of grassroots

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early UFO groups that sort of sprouting

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up where they you know where they were

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you know on the same on the same

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searches as Hynek was in many ways just

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just without some of the resources you

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know and having to kind of do all this

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research for themselves know there's a

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line early on where and I think it's in

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the pilot we're like Evan who's the name

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of the civilian UFO group leader says

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you know like we are dangerous and the

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government knows we're dangerous and

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that was true I mean the CIA really was

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concerned with these civilian UFO groups

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so you know for a number of reasons

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probably paramount being a these are

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grassroots civilian UFO groups that are

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claiming not only that like UFOs exist

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but that the government is lying to the

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American public about this phenomena and

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those kinds of ideas that your

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government is lying to you those ideas

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those ideas spread then of course that's

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very dangerous if you were

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for the veteran for the federal

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government it's a fun sort of Avenue

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that we get to explore this season and

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we we try to do that in a number of

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different ways I mean like without

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giving too many spoilers away like we

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look into things like the contactee idea

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that you know men like George Adamski

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that began sprouting up in the 50s we

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sort of have a an episode that's a bit

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inspired by his accounts you know these

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other sort of elements that are

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connected and we're a part of the

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culture and the sort of UFO milieu of

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that time Wow let's see that's that's

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when you know you value that we know

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that you guys did your research because

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I know someone like a dance key like I

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think the FBI had almost a hundred pages

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on this guy oh yeah I mean honestly

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there could be a whole like movie or

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series on like Adamski I mean he's

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fascinating the Soviets allegedly tried

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to like recruit him and at one point to

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like I mean there's all kinds of

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different things the British were really

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interested in him as well you know

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there's a yeah he's a fascinating

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character so we we take a small chapter

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from his life and kind of look into it

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look into that in one of our episodes

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but it's a it's a wonderful episode and

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you know and that comes later in the

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season but I'm excited for it well I get

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asked this is kind of a listener

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question Dave yeah one of our listeners

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was wondering the shout out to Donald

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Kehoe in the first season I that really

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surprised a lot of us and we were like

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yes by the way one of us is on

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television expect in season two Kehoe is

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wonderful I die I don't wanna you know

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and I actually loved the actor who

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played Kehoe as well he did such a great

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job Kehoe is somebody who we I guess

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I'll say that like we didn't quite find

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a place for this season but that does

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not mean that he Kehoe was it was a

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major figure all the way through and I

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and I will say this if we're fortunate

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enough to be able to tell some more

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stories in our world here we already

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have some ideas for him so because he

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was he was

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huge she was very he was a huge

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influential character in the 50s and

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wrote some incredible books and was a

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huge whistleblower in many respects so a

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real figure worthy of you know I'm I'm

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so excited that we I have his books on

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my shelf and I'm just excited that we

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got to like get him in there at all

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but I'd love to get him back you know I

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really would because he's you know he's

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a big piece of this yeah yeah he's one

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of our heroes for sure besides hi Nick

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but um yeah sort of sort of in the same

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vein of that Dave um I noticed a couple

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Easter eggs in the Roswell episode like

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a sauce or bourbon bottle I won't give

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that away also the front page of a

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newspaper again I I don't want to spoil

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too much but can we expect sort of more

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of these little nods to the UFO yeah

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yeah whenever I love Easter eggs so

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whenever I whenever I get on set I try

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to there's some stuff even in season one

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where like me me and Jude and Joel are

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playing Scrabble and either the first or

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second episode and Hina comes home I

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think it's the first episode and like if

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you freeze-frame the the you know the

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the Scrabble board table it says things

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like you know like mystery and

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conspiracy cool yeah that things like

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that but like yeah I mean we yes the the

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bourbon the bourbon thing is definitely

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a great Easter Egg for us that was a lot

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of fun to actually you know I don't know

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if I should spoil it or have people look

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for it but basically the name the brand

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of the Bourbon it holds a significance

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in UFO history and and I think anybody

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familiar with it will immediately get

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the records yeah yeah I'm Nick the host

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of the UFO chronicles podcast with

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first-hand witness accounts of the

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strange and unexplained covering UFOs

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cryptids conspiracies and the paranormal

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real people real encounters succumb of

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us on the journey into the unknown

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UFO chronicles podcast is available to

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well a lot has happened between seasons

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of your show in terms of like real-life

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UFO world stuffs you know including info

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on the Navy UFO incidents even this

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storm area 51 oh so crazy

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it's insane dude so do you pay attention

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to stuff like this does it does it bleed

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into your show at all when you're

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writing Oh a hundred percent I mean I'm

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not kidding ten minutes before I hopped

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on the phone with you I was telling my

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buddy who is not that aware of like you

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know all you know the the Nimitz case

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and all those all those videos those

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sort of fighter jet videos that have

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come out of a tip and I'm telling him

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I'm like yeah man there was a project

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Bluebook 2.0 like inside the defense

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department at the Pentagon and the US

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Navy now admits not only that would so

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in fascinating is the US Navy now is on

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a few things not only there's like the

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most powerful Navy on the planet admit

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that admits military training exercises

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things we're flying in the sky that they

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chased and invaded their fighter jets

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and they have no idea what they are they

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also admit that like those videos were

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never meant for public consumption

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because it's an ongoing mystery and they

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they felt that releasing them would be a

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threat to national security and now

539
00:21:03,830 --> 00:21:01,410
they've also changed their whole policy

540
00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:03,840
on on how they report UFOs and all that

541
00:21:08,570 --> 00:21:05,610
kinda stuff so it's oh yeah I love I

542
00:21:11,510 --> 00:21:08,580
mean I'm I'm you know I given just my

543
00:21:14,180 --> 00:21:11,520
google search history I get bombarded

544
00:21:16,340 --> 00:21:14,190
with almost every every article that

545
00:21:19,820 --> 00:21:16,350
comes out I also just follow a fair

546
00:21:21,500 --> 00:21:19,830
amount of UFO folks on social media and

547
00:21:23,750 --> 00:21:21,510
gets it you know people I've met at UFO

548
00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:23,760
conferences and things like that so it's

549
00:21:28,940 --> 00:21:27,090
it's it's it's I love being up-to-date

550
00:21:31,610 --> 00:21:28,950
on current stuff and then when there is

551
00:21:34,250 --> 00:21:31,620
a current event or a current theory or

552
00:21:35,690 --> 00:21:34,260
something sometimes we can find ways to

553
00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:35,700
actually be like well did any of this

554
00:21:39,530 --> 00:21:37,410
stuff exist in the 50s or doing these

555
00:21:42,020 --> 00:21:39,540
ideas exist in the 50s and a lot of

556
00:21:43,670 --> 00:21:42,030
times we do find that oh no there that's

557
00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:43,680
actually he was piggybacking off this

558
00:21:46,820 --> 00:21:45,210
other guys work who was picking off this

559
00:21:48,770 --> 00:21:46,830
other guy's work that guy could be

560
00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:48,780
somebody we feature in the show so we we

561
00:21:52,460 --> 00:21:50,730
try to do we try to do our diligence

562
00:21:55,490 --> 00:21:52,470
there of whatever's happening in the

563
00:21:57,740 --> 00:21:55,500
present day can we can we find it's or

564
00:22:01,190 --> 00:21:57,750
and and and put it in the past you know

565
00:22:04,010 --> 00:22:01,200
we can't always do it but when we can we

566
00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:04,020
try you know right and I know in your

567
00:22:08,450 --> 00:22:05,970
promotions and stuff that we're gonna be

568
00:22:10,250 --> 00:22:08,460
visiting a top-secret installation to

569
00:22:12,740 --> 00:22:10,260
which I know you guys

570
00:22:15,230 --> 00:22:12,750
you actually wrote yeah before all that

571
00:22:17,060 --> 00:22:15,240
storm air we did yes so the area oh yeah

572
00:22:19,550 --> 00:22:17,070
area 51 of course that and I was part of

573
00:22:21,950 --> 00:22:19,560
your questions yes that all that storm

574
00:22:25,070 --> 00:22:21,960
area 51 stuff came we were already going

575
00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:25,080
area 51 we felt you know it was it's

576
00:22:29,420 --> 00:22:27,210
began to be built in the 1950s and we

577
00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:29,430
felt oh yeah what we have to we're going

578
00:22:34,670 --> 00:22:31,290
to Roswell we got to go to area 51 as

579
00:22:37,100 --> 00:22:34,680
well and and then all that stormed area

580
00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:37,110
51 stuff happened and you know I

581
00:22:42,470 --> 00:22:39,450
honestly I was sort of two minds about

582
00:22:43,790 --> 00:22:42,480
it I was um I listen I understand

583
00:22:45,170 --> 00:22:43,800
everybody's desire to want to know

584
00:22:46,250 --> 00:22:45,180
what's really going on in there I want

585
00:22:47,690 --> 00:22:46,260
to know what's really going on in there

586
00:22:50,120 --> 00:22:47,700
and I think we do it right to know

587
00:22:52,340 --> 00:22:50,130
but I was worried that people were gonna

588
00:22:53,750 --> 00:22:52,350
get hurt or that there was gonna be I

589
00:22:55,250 --> 00:22:53,760
was worried that was that it could go

590
00:22:59,120 --> 00:22:55,260
really south and I and I'm really glad

591
00:23:00,800 --> 00:22:59,130
that it didn't um even though we didn't

592
00:23:01,790 --> 00:23:00,810
get us any closer to answers nobody got

593
00:23:04,460 --> 00:23:01,800
her and I think that's the most

594
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:04,470
important thing but yeah that was one of

595
00:23:08,150 --> 00:23:05,850
those things to where we were like oh

596
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:08,160
man like we're going to area 51

597
00:23:11,060 --> 00:23:09,810
there's the storm area like you know but

598
00:23:12,050 --> 00:23:11,070
and you and your mind goes through all

599
00:23:14,900 --> 00:23:12,060
the questions like do we try to

600
00:23:17,120 --> 00:23:14,910
capitalize on this do we but I

601
00:23:18,770 --> 00:23:17,130
we ended up sort of not really because

602
00:23:21,140 --> 00:23:18,780
we just weren't sure what it was gonna

603
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:21,150
end up looking like and also does it's

604
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:23,850
like people know what area 51 is I think

605
00:23:31,460 --> 00:23:29,250
that's enough but it's we do get you

606
00:23:34,490 --> 00:23:31,470
know with you know we certainly we go

607
00:23:37,550 --> 00:23:34,500
inside and we you know we and listen I

608
00:23:39,860 --> 00:23:37,560
mean I all the stuff that Bob Lazar is

609
00:23:41,180 --> 00:23:39,870
fascinating to me and and I think some

610
00:23:42,620 --> 00:23:41,190
people you know what that saying too

611
00:23:45,850 --> 00:23:42,630
much I think people will see some nods

612
00:23:48,980 --> 00:23:45,860
to some of the things that he claims and

613
00:23:53,450 --> 00:23:48,990
you know while still kind of doing our

614
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:53,460
own version or you know of what of what

615
00:23:57,260 --> 00:23:55,290
that base is and you know through the

616
00:23:58,670 --> 00:23:57,270
lens of what our our show can do it

617
00:24:00,560 --> 00:23:58,680
which is always a tricky thing because

618
00:24:04,460 --> 00:24:00,570
we kind of have to walk that tightrope

619
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:04,470
between you know is something paranormal

620
00:24:08,570 --> 00:24:06,810
and extraordinary happening here or is

621
00:24:09,350 --> 00:24:08,580
there an earthly explanation and we try

622
00:24:12,830 --> 00:24:09,360
to

623
00:24:14,900 --> 00:24:12,840
because we know that you know it's

624
00:24:16,250 --> 00:24:14,910
really up to the viewers to decide not

625
00:24:18,380 --> 00:24:16,260
only with our show which is of course

626
00:24:20,180 --> 00:24:18,390
it's a piece of drama but even with the

627
00:24:22,220 --> 00:24:20,190
phenomenon itself you know I mean I hope

628
00:24:23,990 --> 00:24:22,230
that not only do we have UFO believers

629
00:24:26,570 --> 00:24:24,000
but also skeptics watching our show and

630
00:24:28,070 --> 00:24:26,580
then I hope that it inspires them to go

631
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:28,080
back and look at the case and be like

632
00:24:31,190 --> 00:24:29,730
huh what do I think do I think the

633
00:24:33,620 --> 00:24:31,200
Lubbock lights was a flasher you know it

634
00:24:35,660 --> 00:24:33,630
was like birds or do I believe the

635
00:24:38,030 --> 00:24:35,670
Astronomy professors who were like no it

636
00:24:40,810 --> 00:24:38,040
was like a v-shaped formation in the sky

637
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:40,820
like of lights that one can't explain

638
00:24:46,070 --> 00:24:43,290
absolutely and I'm so happy to see that

639
00:24:48,169 --> 00:24:46,080
the History Channel is doing these sort

640
00:24:50,210 --> 00:24:48,179
of addendums after your episodes again

641
00:24:52,850 --> 00:24:50,220
where they tell like the actual case

642
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:52,860
that your episode yes fired by um I

643
00:24:58,130 --> 00:24:55,290
think these are so important and so so

644
00:25:00,650 --> 00:24:58,140
important yeah one of the the show was

645
00:25:02,270 --> 00:25:00,660
always conceived with those in mind I

646
00:25:04,850 --> 00:25:02,280
mean I'm not kidding even in the when

647
00:25:06,650 --> 00:25:04,860
they before they bought the spec pilot I

648
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:06,660
was brought in for like a meeting where

649
00:25:09,980 --> 00:25:08,250
they just had a couple of ideas and they

650
00:25:13,370 --> 00:25:09,990
sort of wanted to like float a few

651
00:25:14,870 --> 00:25:13,380
things by me and I I pitched this idea

652
00:25:16,820 --> 00:25:14,880
that I'm especially because it was

653
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:16,830
history that after the show we you know

654
00:25:19,820 --> 00:25:18,330
we should do like to learn more about

655
00:25:22,100 --> 00:25:19,830
the real-life case or can we do like a

656
00:25:24,799 --> 00:25:22,110
little segment and that kind of a thing

657
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:24,809
and only and later did I realize just

658
00:25:28,310 --> 00:25:26,850
how important it was at the time I just

659
00:25:29,630 --> 00:25:28,320
thought it would be really cool it would

660
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:29,640
drive people to do their own research

661
00:25:32,780 --> 00:25:31,290
and stuff like that but I also think it

662
00:25:35,030 --> 00:25:32,790
does something else for us which is I

663
00:25:37,700 --> 00:25:35,040
hope that it draws a very clear line in

664
00:25:40,340 --> 00:25:37,710
the sand between like our show which is

665
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:40,350
a dramatization and a scripted series

666
00:25:46,100 --> 00:25:43,530
and in no way documentary from the from

667
00:25:48,919 --> 00:25:46,110
the the cases that inspire our show and

668
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:48,929
the real-life ingredients and events and

669
00:25:52,270 --> 00:25:50,490
historical events that inspire our show

670
00:25:54,860 --> 00:25:52,280
so that people can always go back

671
00:25:56,570 --> 00:25:54,870
afterwards and be like oh my god oh they

672
00:25:58,039 --> 00:25:56,580
took yet a from there that's what really

673
00:26:00,289 --> 00:25:58,049
happened here this is that so that

674
00:26:03,140 --> 00:26:00,299
that's hopefully some of the fun in

675
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:03,150
watching the show is that they get to do

676
00:26:06,830 --> 00:26:05,010
the deep dive afterward that's one of

677
00:26:10,159 --> 00:26:06,840
the joys for me is honestly like I I

678
00:26:12,710 --> 00:26:10,169
live tweet the show airs on the East

679
00:26:14,510 --> 00:26:12,720
Coast and usually what I'm doing I drop

680
00:26:15,830 --> 00:26:14,520
it like when I can think of some funny

681
00:26:17,510 --> 00:26:15,840
stuff behind the scenes stuff I drop

682
00:26:19,580 --> 00:26:17,520
that as well or a little anecdotes about

683
00:26:21,020 --> 00:26:19,590
production or things of that nature but

684
00:26:23,270 --> 00:26:21,030
even the more fun thing for me is just

685
00:26:24,770 --> 00:26:23,280
being like that you know this is what

686
00:26:27,020 --> 00:26:24,780
really happened or if you want to learn

687
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:27,030
more about this look up you look up this

688
00:26:31,250 --> 00:26:28,650
book or let you know look up this fact

689
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:31,260
or you know little insider stuff just to

690
00:26:35,330 --> 00:26:33,930
help feed that conversation because

691
00:26:36,740 --> 00:26:35,340
that's what I hope the show does you

692
00:26:39,470 --> 00:26:36,750
know I hope the show broadens the

693
00:26:41,300 --> 00:26:39,480
conversation about UFOs makes it more

694
00:26:43,550 --> 00:26:41,310
mainstream makes it less a subject of

695
00:26:45,500 --> 00:26:43,560
ridicule makes it something that people

696
00:26:47,330 --> 00:26:45,510
can be like oh my god like these cases

697
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:47,340
really happen and this has been going on

698
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:49,170
for a long long time I mean since the

699
00:26:52,910 --> 00:26:50,970
atyp stuff has come out I definitely

700
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:52,920
it's it's for the fur I know that

701
00:26:56,690 --> 00:26:54,690
there's a bit of a changing in the tide

702
00:26:59,030 --> 00:26:56,700
because I need for the first time people

703
00:27:00,050 --> 00:26:59,040
I have friends who have always because

704
00:27:01,340 --> 00:27:00,060
I'm the you know I'm the guy at like

705
00:27:03,410 --> 00:27:01,350
3:00 in the morning like right you know

706
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:03,420
telling you like for years decades I

707
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:04,770
mean you know there's as far back as I

708
00:27:09,500 --> 00:27:06,090
can remember talking about this stuff

709
00:27:11,450 --> 00:27:09,510
and now I'm starting to get you know

710
00:27:13,310 --> 00:27:11,460
that it's it's a new thing when I'm

711
00:27:14,660 --> 00:27:13,320
getting hit up with like emails or calls

712
00:27:15,260 --> 00:27:14,670
and people are like wait is this for

713
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:15,270
real

714
00:27:19,370 --> 00:27:17,610
play wait a second O'Leary is all this

715
00:27:21,620 --> 00:27:19,380
stuff you are like ranting about back

716
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:21,630
then is this is some of this true and

717
00:27:25,670 --> 00:27:24,090
I'm like yeah yeah man that's why that's

718
00:27:28,940 --> 00:27:25,680
why I've been so excited about it you

719
00:27:30,590 --> 00:27:28,950
know it's sort of you know it's it's

720
00:27:32,120 --> 00:27:30,600
nice that the show is hitting at the

721
00:27:33,650 --> 00:27:32,130
same time that I do think there's a

722
00:27:35,570 --> 00:27:33,660
little bit of a shift in the national

723
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:35,580
consciousness about this and in the very

724
00:27:39,710 --> 00:27:37,410
sort of sober-minded you know military

725
00:27:41,890 --> 00:27:39,720
world and sort of like things kind of

726
00:27:44,660 --> 00:27:41,900
beginning to change just some degree

727
00:27:47,150 --> 00:27:44,670
with regards to this stuff I think so

728
00:27:50,030 --> 00:27:47,160
and you know say what you will about

729
00:27:52,820 --> 00:27:50,040
things may need to happen or meant to be

730
00:27:54,620 --> 00:27:52,830
but I do think you know between all the

731
00:27:56,900 --> 00:27:54,630
atyp revelations and project Bluebook

732
00:27:59,660 --> 00:27:56,910
like either it was the most genius

733
00:28:01,790 --> 00:27:59,670
visiting business marketing scheme of

734
00:28:05,060 --> 00:28:01,800
all time or like you guys you did you

735
00:28:07,310 --> 00:28:05,070
tapped into a time in history where UFOs

736
00:28:11,750 --> 00:28:07,320
are on the minds of more people that I

737
00:28:13,850 --> 00:28:11,760
think ever before so yeah absolutely and

738
00:28:15,950 --> 00:28:13,860
and definitely not a product of anything

739
00:28:17,360 --> 00:28:15,960
we do it just like we just kind of hit

740
00:28:19,250 --> 00:28:17,370
struck right when these things were

741
00:28:20,630 --> 00:28:19,260
happening you know and it was if it

742
00:28:22,550 --> 00:28:20,640
wasn't gonna be us I guess it was gonna

743
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:22,560
be someone else in the aftermath of it

744
00:28:26,180 --> 00:28:24,450
but it was nice to kind of be just a

745
00:28:27,380 --> 00:28:26,190
little ahead of it and that we you know

746
00:28:28,910 --> 00:28:27,390
I think it was the second day of

747
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:28,920
production when they when they dropped

748
00:28:32,420 --> 00:28:30,330
that when the New York Times front page

749
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:32,430
story dropped the the news about a chat

750
00:28:36,740 --> 00:28:35,010
thank you okay it stopped production it

751
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:36,750
was like what

752
00:28:41,659 --> 00:28:38,850
you know and I was like yeah oh my god I

753
00:28:44,810 --> 00:28:41,669
was like yeah I had no idea but I was

754
00:28:46,970 --> 00:28:44,820
like holy [\h__\h] like yeah and then I got

755
00:28:48,799 --> 00:28:46,980
worried that like yeah honestly I was

756
00:28:50,270 --> 00:28:48,809
like oh my god it's like it's disclosed

757
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:50,280
you this of course is where my mind goes

758
00:28:53,210 --> 00:28:51,690
for a second I was like it's disclosed

759
00:28:54,740 --> 00:28:53,220
you're gonna happen oh wait and how is

760
00:29:00,380 --> 00:28:54,750
that going to affect the show that's a

761
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:00,390
very if we find out that aliens exist or

762
00:29:06,529 --> 00:29:02,970
ufos or extraterrestrial like is your

763
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:06,539
job done I'm like right but right I

764
00:29:11,570 --> 00:29:09,090
don't know I think I honestly think yes

765
00:29:13,130 --> 00:29:11,580
maybe we now know that but dude you know

766
00:29:15,770 --> 00:29:13,140
as well as I do there's gonna be a

767
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:15,780
zillion more questions coming after that

768
00:29:21,140 --> 00:29:18,210
yes that would just be the beginning of

769
00:29:23,060 --> 00:29:21,150
this whole new era and it's like we're

770
00:29:24,890 --> 00:29:23,070
almost there it's like you know almost

771
00:29:26,810 --> 00:29:24,900
half the country accepts that this is

772
00:29:28,310 --> 00:29:26,820
happening yeah you know and it's a

773
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:28,320
there'll be a tipping point where it's

774
00:29:34,279 --> 00:29:30,570
sort of undeniable I can I could taste

775
00:29:36,140 --> 00:29:34,289
it for sure yeah let's see I got just a

776
00:29:41,029 --> 00:29:36,150
couple more here David that Carly man

777
00:29:42,980 --> 00:29:41,039
yeah thank you thank you for your time I

778
00:29:45,860 --> 00:29:42,990
I think I heard you talk about this in

779
00:29:48,230 --> 00:29:45,870
an other interview but do you did you go

780
00:29:51,049 --> 00:29:48,240
into season two with like sort of an

781
00:29:54,649 --> 00:29:51,059
overall theme of what you really wanted

782
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:54,659
to uh to get across just a little of

783
00:29:59,600 --> 00:29:56,970
everything a little of everything but

784
00:30:02,330 --> 00:29:59,610
definitely we you know you know in Sean

785
00:30:03,799 --> 00:30:02,340
Sean elegant elegant eloquently says

786
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:03,809
this and I'm and I'm piggybacking off

787
00:30:06,799 --> 00:30:04,770
him a little bit but I think he's

788
00:30:08,539 --> 00:30:06,809
absolutely right that like season one in

789
00:30:10,490 --> 00:30:08,549
some regards was was strictly about the

790
00:30:12,950 --> 00:30:10,500
mystery in the sky although of course we

791
00:30:15,140 --> 00:30:12,960
do explore the the conspiracy to some

792
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:15,150
degree but I think this season we delve

793
00:30:20,779 --> 00:30:18,570
as much into the the conspiracy on the

794
00:30:22,340 --> 00:30:20,789
ground you know we introduce this new

795
00:30:24,169 --> 00:30:22,350
element of the CIA and this is all

796
00:30:25,850 --> 00:30:24,179
rooted in history and how the CIA in the

797
00:30:29,230 --> 00:30:25,860
US Air Force started to vie for control

798
00:30:31,310 --> 00:30:29,240
over the UFO issue and how different

799
00:30:32,930 --> 00:30:31,320
factions are our own government we

800
00:30:34,460 --> 00:30:32,940
wouldn't necessarily share information

801
00:30:35,810 --> 00:30:34,470
with each other and wanted to be at the

802
00:30:36,950 --> 00:30:35,820
forefront of this because they knew that

803
00:30:39,770 --> 00:30:36,960
it could change the world

804
00:30:41,570 --> 00:30:39,780
so we delve is not like you know we're

805
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still every week we got like a cool case

806
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and every week you know we're dealing

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with UFOs and mysterious events and in

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many respects I think we pushed some of

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that stuff even further but we also

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opened the

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now that we've laid the groundwork of

812
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like what the show is now we serve you

813
00:30:59,810 --> 00:30:57,420
know we open it up to these larger how

814
00:31:01,790 --> 00:30:59,820
does the conspiracy work how deep does

815
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:01,800
it go you know we start to try to answer

816
00:31:06,890 --> 00:31:03,690
questions that we didn't answer in

817
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:06,900
season one like who exactly is unseen or

818
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:08,250
as some people have called them like The

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Fixer I saw that online for a while the

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man with the hat

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Ian Tracy I call him he's a friend he's

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wonderful the actor who plays plays a

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who plays on scene so we try to delve

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into some of that stuff as well and and

825
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really start to try to answer question

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you know what was that mysterious

827
00:31:31,730 --> 00:31:29,430
artifact that that yes Hynix steel from

828
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the governmental base in Episode six

829
00:31:37,370 --> 00:31:34,290
what what what is the purpose of this

830
00:31:38,930 --> 00:31:37,380
mysterious you know obelisk in

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Antarctica you know these are things

832
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that we have not forgotten about our

833
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mythology we take really seriously so

834
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our deeper sort of our deeper sort of

835
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Easter eggs kind of scan you know

836
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:49,800
mystery questions the symbol all that

837
00:31:55,820 --> 00:31:52,770
stuff is in ain't going anywhere and if

838
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anything hopefully going deeper arm you

839
00:32:00,020 --> 00:31:56,970
know we delve into a little bit of

840
00:32:03,530 --> 00:32:00,030
MKULTRA a little bit of psychic psychic

841
00:32:05,390 --> 00:32:03,540
espionage you know we we we we we

842
00:32:08,090 --> 00:32:05,400
believe we delve into some very sort of

843
00:32:10,300 --> 00:32:08,100
interesting other paranormal areas that

844
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:10,310
all sort of connects to this larger

845
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:12,810
phenomena of unidentified flying objects

846
00:32:20,090 --> 00:32:14,370
oh yeah I know exactly what you're

847
00:32:21,620 --> 00:32:20,100
talking about but that's so cool man

848
00:32:23,930 --> 00:32:21,630
yeah and I personally want to know what

849
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:23,940
the hell those numbers are that that kid

850
00:32:36,010 --> 00:32:25,650
is saying at the end of every episode

851
00:32:40,850 --> 00:32:38,870
awesome well Dave I can't thank you

852
00:32:43,430 --> 00:32:40,860
enough for taking the time to do this my

853
00:32:45,950 --> 00:32:43,440
man I know that you're sure you live

854
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:45,960
tweet these episodes which is so rare

855
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:48,770
and so cool for a creator to do that

856
00:32:57,110 --> 00:32:53,610
thanks we find that yeah sure yes I'm on

857
00:32:58,910 --> 00:32:57,120
Twitter at David E O'Leary so it's just

858
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my name but just with my middle initial

859
00:33:04,070 --> 00:33:01,970
which is e so David E O'Leary on

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00:33:04,549 --> 00:33:04,080
Instagram you know I also try to share

861
00:33:07,039 --> 00:33:04,559
like we have

862
00:33:09,019 --> 00:33:07,049
wonderful fans who share who creates fan

863
00:33:10,460 --> 00:33:09,029
art for the show and I'm like I go and

864
00:33:11,899 --> 00:33:10,470
everything for the show I mean I'm not

865
00:33:14,869 --> 00:33:11,909
kidding I go to like the product I have

866
00:33:18,019 --> 00:33:14,879
like Roswell wreckage in my office like

867
00:33:20,779 --> 00:33:18,029
I have you know I got the i-beam like on

868
00:33:22,310 --> 00:33:20,789
my desk you know I try to collect all

869
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:22,320
this stuff cause it's just it's Susan

870
00:33:27,889 --> 00:33:24,570
it's for me I'm just like I'm like a fan

871
00:33:29,779 --> 00:33:27,899
and and a UFO buff like everyone else

872
00:33:31,190 --> 00:33:29,789
who just got fortunate that I got to

873
00:33:33,379 --> 00:33:31,200
create a show that about something I

874
00:33:35,029 --> 00:33:33,389
love so it's it's it's one of those

875
00:33:36,799 --> 00:33:35,039
things where I'm like okay and I said

876
00:33:39,109 --> 00:33:36,809
it's almost like I got a hand on to the

877
00:33:40,970 --> 00:33:39,119
you know hey hang on to all the tangible

878
00:33:42,649 --> 00:33:40,980
evidence I can that this thing that this

879
00:33:45,859 --> 00:33:42,659
unidentified thing called the show

880
00:33:47,659 --> 00:33:45,869
really happened before your memories

881
00:33:49,369 --> 00:33:47,669
wiped clean right before my memories

882
00:33:50,749 --> 00:33:49,379
quiet and nobody believes me and

883
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:50,759
describe it to me and throws me in

884
00:33:57,619 --> 00:33:56,490
prison right you never had a show you

885
00:34:00,080 --> 00:33:57,629
lunatic

886
00:34:01,310 --> 00:34:00,090
but yes yeah so please you know I hope

887
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:01,320
yeah you know I definitely encourage

888
00:34:05,570 --> 00:34:03,330
folks to follow me I love hearing

889
00:34:07,220 --> 00:34:05,580
feedback you know what I mean I I read

890
00:34:09,349 --> 00:34:07,230
it all you know maybe I shouldn't but I

891
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:09,359
read the good with the bad and I do I do

892
00:34:15,500 --> 00:34:12,810
try to you know I do I do try to soak it

893
00:34:17,329 --> 00:34:15,510
all in and I and I get you know I always

894
00:34:20,780 --> 00:34:17,339
I have a deep respect for the history

895
00:34:23,089 --> 00:34:20,790
for it and you know I understand the you

896
00:34:25,819 --> 00:34:23,099
know the the the deep sort of

897
00:34:27,829 --> 00:34:25,829
quote/unquote purist you know UFO

898
00:34:30,470 --> 00:34:27,839
historians as well and you know we are

899
00:34:32,329 --> 00:34:30,480
no way trying to ever confuse or muddle

900
00:34:33,710 --> 00:34:32,339
those issues where we're in fact trying

901
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:33,720
to take those ingredients and bring them

902
00:34:38,300 --> 00:34:35,490
to a mass audience and then guide them

903
00:34:39,950 --> 00:34:38,310
back to looking at the real life stuff

904
00:34:41,089 --> 00:34:39,960
and that's what I always encourage our

905
00:34:43,399 --> 00:34:41,099
fans to do I'm like you want to know

906
00:34:45,230 --> 00:34:43,409
more like I love doing the deep dive the

907
00:34:47,119 --> 00:34:45,240
on are fun Easter eggs and all that kind

908
00:34:48,589 --> 00:34:47,129
of stuff that's also like you know I can

909
00:34:49,819 --> 00:34:48,599
give you guys a zillion books like if

910
00:34:51,470 --> 00:34:49,829
somebody asked me what books are you

911
00:34:53,510 --> 00:34:51,480
reading I will tell them you know like

912
00:34:55,430 --> 00:34:53,520
you wait for Roswell I would check out

913
00:34:57,109 --> 00:34:55,440
witness to Roswell and the day after

914
00:34:58,160 --> 00:34:57,119
Roswell those are two wonderful books

915
00:35:00,589 --> 00:34:58,170
worth checking out

916
00:35:02,540 --> 00:35:00,599
you know I mean and for each case we

917
00:35:04,609 --> 00:35:02,550
have those sort of great primary

918
00:35:07,370 --> 00:35:04,619
resources that I think are grounded and

919
00:35:09,410 --> 00:35:07,380
sober and wonderful so tell me about a

920
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:09,420
man I'm literally bringing home one two

921
00:35:13,550 --> 00:35:10,650
three four five I'm looking at them

922
00:35:15,050 --> 00:35:13,560
right now eight boxes of UFO books from

923
00:35:16,570 --> 00:35:15,060
my apartment in New York City bringing

924
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:16,580
them back to my parents and

925
00:35:22,240 --> 00:35:19,970
oh they just don't fit here it's New

926
00:35:23,530 --> 00:35:22,250
York our apartments are like the size of

927
00:35:26,260 --> 00:35:23,540
a closet I don't know what I was

928
00:35:28,240 --> 00:35:26,270
thinking man well you know we have like

929
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:28,250
a growing library in our writers office

930
00:35:32,110 --> 00:35:29,810
which is like it's getting to be a

931
00:35:34,780 --> 00:35:32,120
really great collection you know you got

932
00:35:37,150 --> 00:35:34,790
donated different stuff oh yeah

933
00:35:38,620 --> 00:35:37,160
I I had the pleasure of seeing Paul

934
00:35:40,270 --> 00:35:38,630
Hynek the other night at an event he

935
00:35:41,980 --> 00:35:40,280
threw for the first screening for the

936
00:35:43,210 --> 00:35:41,990
first episode which was wonderful he did

937
00:35:44,650 --> 00:35:43,220
a whole presentation on the real-life

938
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:44,660
Hynek by the way it was the most

939
00:35:48,310 --> 00:35:46,130
incredible PowerPoint presentation I've

940
00:35:50,050 --> 00:35:48,320
ever seen but while I was there you know

941
00:35:52,230 --> 00:35:50,060
somebody gave me a book that is really

942
00:35:55,330 --> 00:35:52,240
interesting that I hadn't heard of so um

943
00:35:56,650 --> 00:35:55,340
yeah I loved getting that stuff I just

944
00:35:59,560 --> 00:35:56,660
add it to the shelf and I'm like I hope

945
00:36:03,700 --> 00:35:59,570
I get yep yep always learning I love him

946
00:36:05,650 --> 00:36:03,710
and yeah you can catch Project Blue Book

947
00:36:06,910 --> 00:36:05,660
on Tuesdays at 10:00 9:00 central on the

948
00:36:09,730 --> 00:36:06,920
History Channel and be sure to follow

949
00:36:11,530 --> 00:36:09,740
Dave on Twitter also follow a history

950
00:36:14,170 --> 00:36:11,540
blue book where they retweet near live

951
00:36:17,740 --> 00:36:14,180
tweets too and that's it my man thank

952
00:36:19,720 --> 00:36:17,750
you so much Ryan I appreciate it man and

953
00:36:22,570 --> 00:36:19,730
anytime dude you need anything a lot

954
00:36:23,470 --> 00:36:22,580
love love talking to you and yeah man

955
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:23,480
we'll talk soon I'm sure

956
00:36:34,900 --> 00:36:25,850
yes we'll talk again when season three

957
00:36:38,410 --> 00:36:37,120
that's it for this week's episode I hope

958
00:36:41,049 --> 00:36:38,420
you've enjoyed our project Bluebook

959
00:36:43,180 --> 00:36:41,059
doubleheader with Paul Hynek and David

960
00:36:46,089 --> 00:36:43,190
O'Leary if you want a more accurate

961
00:36:48,999 --> 00:36:46,099
portrayal in terms of historical context

962
00:36:51,700 --> 00:36:49,009
and uncanny research I had to recommend

963
00:36:54,759 --> 00:36:51,710
the amazing biography by markt O'Connell

964
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:54,769
titled the Close Encounters man how one

965
00:36:59,349 --> 00:36:57,410
man made the world believe in UFOs

966
00:37:00,940 --> 00:36:59,359
I had the immense pleasure of

967
00:37:03,130 --> 00:37:00,950
interviewing the author when the book

968
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:03,140
first came out and it was an absolutely

969
00:37:08,470 --> 00:37:06,170
fascinating conversation go all the way

970
00:37:10,990 --> 00:37:08,480
back to episode 10 of some of the skies

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00:37:12,849 --> 00:37:11,000
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984
00:37:42,309 --> 00:37:40,250
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985
00:37:44,380 --> 00:37:42,319
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986
00:37:46,870 --> 00:37:44,390
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990
00:37:56,259 --> 00:37:54,109
story in your own words

991
00:37:58,480 --> 00:37:56,269
this is an amazing opportunity to get

992
00:38:01,660 --> 00:37:58,490
your story out to the public and help

993
00:38:03,999 --> 00:38:01,670
normalize the topic of UFOs use the

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contact tab on the website to discuss

995
00:38:08,319 --> 00:38:04,970
further with me

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00:38:10,809 --> 00:38:08,329
thanks to Kirby Dixon at history the e1

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00:38:12,819 --> 00:38:10,819
podcast network and especially to you

998
00:38:15,130 --> 00:38:12,829
for listening I'll see you here next

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00:38:18,099 --> 00:38:15,140
week and remember keep your feet on the

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00:38:27,580 --> 00:38:18,109
ground but never stop searching so man

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[Music]

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[Applause]

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